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thehellspawnhero:

flirtingxwithxphantoms:

blackheart-biohazards:

The idea that there is something special and magical about sexual arousal and desire that takes away your willpower and good judgement is a lie made up by rapists to excuse rape.

That’s exactly the thing I’ve been thinking like….

they call proshippers the ‘abuse apologists’

who REALLY is the apologist here? Antishippers freely watch as their own tear into others and excuse it with “Well their targets were PROSHIPPERS so they (proshippers) deserved it”

same with calling proshippers ‘rape apologists’

and yet they provide THAT kind of cover for actual rapists [Some who were excused purely because they were antishippers, thanks twitter!]

Antis, some advice:
Maybe stop chucking rocks through your windows just to hit the other glass house you THINK you see.

In the past five years alone, I have seen:

  • Five incidents where antis were caught either sharing CSEM in private or on public platforms like Twitter, both alone and en mass.
  • Two incidents where antis actively tried to convince people not to spread word that one of their own was a confirmed rapist, one of which even admitted it was because it made them look bad.
  • One incident where a particularly infamous and active anti went into someone’s DMs to prove that they had doxxed them, then threatened in extremely graphic detail how they knew that person’s rapist and intended to release their address to said rapist so they could attack them again.
  • At least ten incidents where adult antis were outed as rapists after having lengthy tirades about how people who draw “icky” fan art are disgusting and deserve either imprisonment or death.
  • One of the above incidents stands out since the rapist anti spent the majority of their confession post blaming their victim, insisting that they deserved and enjoyed it, and even believed themselves to be the real victim because they were deprived of a loving relationship with their victim that they believed they deserved.
  • At least fifteen incidents where adult antis turned out to be pedophiles themselves; hoarding and/or sharing CSEM, openly championing the idea that pedophilia is good and that the age of consent should be lowered or abolished, caught actively grooming minors (some of which were family members), and even having been convicted for child rape.

But yeah, somehow everyone who isn’t part of the cult whose members produce a new sex scandal every week is an abuse apologist.

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lostlittlelorelei:

blackheart-biohazards:

Speaking exclusively with regard to US law:

I, an adult, am legally allowed to write whatever I damn well please.

If I write sexual content, you, a child, are not legally allowed to look at it.

Therefore my “pedophilic content” can not affect you unless you are already breaking the law.

Also… Can we please stop putting fictional content on par with actual CSEM? As someone who has actually suffered CSA, I’m getting tired of people (minors in particular) saying that fictional content of fictional characters is as bad as, and subsequently as in need of addressing, as CSEM. Content involving real-life children.

Please stop. Please stop calling it CP. Please stop acting like fictional characters are just as important as real-life children. The hell I went through as a child is real. The suffering your Genshin blorbo is going through on Pornhub isn’t.

Children need to stay the hell out of adult spaces, this is, getting ridiculous.

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sl-ug:

blurrymango:

blackheart-biohazards:

Antis can’t agree what counts as proship!

“Actual cp” everytime I see an anti use that phrase I just want to bash my head in not gonna lie.

I will say that they’re right about selfcest not being the same as incest however they fail with everything else.

Yeah, it waters down actual real-world abuse (csem). It equates real csa to fiction. It also makes “cp” sound like a category for porn, which it isn’t.

Genuine question why do you compare kink to proshipping? Kink is always between consenting parties. Children cannot consent- making out kinky people to be predators is a part of purity culture and comparing proshipping to it isn’t exactly helping. Kink is a known HEALTHY coping mechanism because of the fail safes and the discussion between parties versus vent pieces which typically should be kept between a person and their therapist and not published online.

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things-antis-say:

what the fuck are you talking about? where did “children cannot consent” even come from? (and if you’re talking about people writing underage shit as if they need consent from drawings, i’m not even going to pretend that’s a real argument)

the only one comparing kinky people to predators is you, anon

anyway, you do consent to reading fucked up fanfic by continuing to read it. close the book or press the back button on the tab. continuing of your own volition is the consent

here’s a couple of reasons why someone might post darkfic online instead of keeping it to themselves:

  1. it’s a vent chapter — the work as a whole is not that dark, but the author was in a bad place when they wrote one of the chapters
  2. some people who are not writers/artists read to cope
  3. some people read or look at art to get off
  4. it’s not hurting anyone, so i can do whatever the fuck i want. if you don’t like it, mind your own goddamn business

can we all talk about the fact that the CSEM laws of the US more than likely refer to what people like SHADMAN do when it comes to ilustrations, and not drawings of not real people??jesus, I still cannot forget the fact that Shadman drew porn of a youtuber’s daughter to spite him…

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Unless the drawing was photorealistic, it more than likely was not illegal under US law.

I just double checked, and yes, shadman was arrested.

For assault with a deadly weapon, not for drawing gross or fucked up cartoons in bad taste.

I’ll be honest I don’t know much about shadman, and I have no desire to know more, but drawing somebody you hate’s child in porn as an attempt to trigger them just seems like a immature thing to do whether or not it’s illegal.

Like, it just sounds like a vindictive edgy middle schooler. Extreme chuuni energy in the worst way.

It’s like getting mad at someone and drawing a picture of you beating them up, except with 4chan loser vibes.

But yeah it sounds like his crime was assault, not drawing immature art in bad taste.

Interesting how antis insist anything on AO3 is CSEM yet they don’t call the police. It’s almost like they know deep down that there’s nothing worth reporting on there.

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marshemillow:

Oh but anon, they do alert authorities. The cybertip line, which is supposed to be for alerting the FBI in the case of real cyber abuse (of which creating CSEM definitely qualifies) has been especially clogged up by false tips within the past few years, and it is almost certainly because of the rise of antis.

It was a bit ago by now, but I remember a post that was floating around where an anon claimed to have reported someone to the cybertip line for writing a sex scene between two fictional characters who were consenting adults. Of course, the user wasn’t in any danger, any competent agent would dismiss a tip like that as soon as they realized what it was actually about. Instead, assuming the anon wasn’t bluffing, the consequences of that false tip fell onto the abused children who may have been raped again in the time it took for agents to sift through the false tips in order to get to the real ones. Plenty of lawyers have even gone on record to say, “Stop reporting cartoon drawings as CSEM! They do not count! You’re just making it harder for us to help real children!”

Not only that, but antis have already gotten in trouble for spreading real CSEM, both to try and “own the nasty proshitters”, but also sometimes because when some of them see stuff like that, their first instinct is to put it in a public callout post, which further contributes to the exploitation of the child in said illegal content that they liken to that of an abused anime character.

But yes anon, Archive of Our Own is a very famous public website. The fact that it can be everywhere on the surface web in plain fucking view for this many years without the FBI so much as batting an eye should be proof enough that written fiction cannot be CSEM, but of course, antis don’t have fucking brains, so they can’t figure that out to save their lives. They just keep saying that AO3 is full of “child porn” and the government just like…hasn’t noticed yet, somehow.

You see what happens when you act like fictional abuse is the same as real abuse? Not only does it make you treat fictional characters like real people, it also makes you treat real people with flesh and blood like they matter just as much as a fake construct in a story that doesn’t actually exist.

People who play GTA V have no trouble understanding this distinction. That’s why jumping cliffs with your car and running people over in that game is funny instead of deeply traumatizing.

Sorry, anon. Can you tell that I’m angry? I’m a little angry.

You know, if they really cared about rpf of minors on platforms, then maybe they should, idk, advocate to have fanfic be included with the visual representation law as well. Because you can’t get mad at AO3 for following US law to a T and not question why the US law has made visual CSEM/CSAM illegal(of real breathing minors), but didn’t include the text form of that as well. Just saying, AO3 isn’t the flawed one here for being within it’s country of origins law, look at the country of origin itself for not thinking this through.But you know what they say, just because it’s the law, doesn’t mean it’s always right. Which is what you told them, but they didn’t listen.

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Why get into the serious world of political advocacy when what you really want is an excuse to be mean and nasty to people online?

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antishipping:

but seriously though, i really hate those types of anti “comebacks” that are just like

“well you support child abuse, so your opinion doesn’t count”

“you literally think incest is valid, shut the fuck up”

“at least i don’t support pedophilia 🤢”

like… okay??? neither do i. i support fiction, if that’s what you mean. i support the idea of anti-censorship. i support the idea of letting people write whatever the fuck they want. i never said anything about thinking that people who go out there and fuck their little siblings or whatever are cool and valid and aren’t doing anything wrong.

i mean, following your logic, are you also pro-murder because your like horror movies and gore? or does this argument only apply to the things you personally don’t like?