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I’ve had antis accuse me of being into ddlg… for asking them not to add discussions about it to my posts about kink… because ddlg set off my anxiety and I didn’t want to hear about it. I wasn’t even defending it, I just didn’t want to hear about it. This was back when I was trying to stay closeted about being proship/profic and pro kink cause I was afraid that not only would I get harassed horrendously but that I’d be forced to discuss things that trigger me. I basically shoved my way out when I realized staying quiet about my thoughts wouldn’t keep me from being harassed or forced to get into subjects I couldn’t handle. Antis wouldn’t allow me that luxury. It was be an anti or be a target.

Fancops won’t let anybody do anything they don’t like.

They very much have an “if you aren’t with us, you’re against us” mentality.

I’m convinced that half the reason they accuse us of being pedos, dog fuckers etc, isn’t because they really believe it but rather because they want to trigger and upset us.

Proshippers are the ones with normal attitudes toward fiction.

I don’t know how to explain to antis that they are not normal for getting themselves all twisted up and panicked about the moral lives of, and harm done to, fictional characters.

Antis, nobody cares but you.

It’s not important to be normal, but it’s absolutely normal to not care that people write about bad things and taboo topics.

Policing what other people write and draw and obsessing over other people’s morals is not normal.

I lowkey get Bad Vibes from people who are like “be critical about your interests!!” “I dont trust fans of x that arent critical!!”Like How Would You Know and Why Do You Care-Aubrey from @antiproshipping

antiproshipping:

blackheart-biohazards:

Right? it always seems like “be critical of your interests” is code for “you’re not allowed to have fun”.

It also feels super performative. Like jesus christ nobody should care. And the fact that people who say it also freak out when people are like “um actually since you like this Irredeamable Media you cant consume critically” and yeah.

It feels as dumb as “basic dni criteria”

Exactly! It’s a free pass for people who shit on those of us who like problematic media to say “oh when I do it it’s okay, because I’m critical. But all of you degenerates are romanticizing it!”

I lowkey get Bad Vibes from people who are like “be critical about your interests!!” “I dont trust fans of x that arent critical!!”Like How Would You Know and Why Do You Care-Aubrey from @antiproshipping

Right? it always seems like “be critical of your interests” is code for “you’re not allowed to have fun”.

Though I’m not worried about them effecting laws (except in the case of voting for conservatives to #ownthelibs—I mean #owntheproblematicpeople), I do genuinely worry about young antis effecting, like, societal norms as time goes on…? So many of these people doxxing people for their ships and harassing them irl for age differences are teenagers, and I worry that they won’t grow out of their views. Like that in ten years, though it’ll be *legal* to marry my five-years-younger-than-me boyfriend, it won’t be *acceptable* to a large amount of population.I’m sorry for the dramatic anon, I just wanted to express that little fear to someone who knows about this stuff.

We worry about that kind of thing sometimes too, anon 🙁

What do you think is the reason why people think thought crimes equal real life actions?

dead-boy-dont-eat:

It’s a rather nuanced issue that I’m not very educated on, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but I’m inclined to think that these people generally have this issue for two reasons.

1) They do not have very strong self-control, and falsely believe that because *they* would consider acting on those thoughts that others would as well.
2) They are within a culture that imposes the idea of thought purity, or the kind of dogma that ‘sin’ starts with ‘impure thoughts.’ In that kind of culture, even if you get away from believing in sin, you can still hold that framework when understanding morality.

I understand. Thoughts can be upsetting. But, understanding that the vast majority of thoughts one has are completely involuntary, one can better appreciate how our character is determined by the thoughts we place value enough to act on.

Individuals who understand the difference and yet propagate this kind of message anyways…? Those people’s motives are rooted in control. As soon as someone can make you feel guilty, they are able to use that primal urge to fit in to get you to do as they please.

to add to the discussion about adults in age gaps, people will talk about how its a power imbalance but no relationship you will ever have will be of equal power thats just natural. your partner may make more money, maybe they can drive and you cant, maybe they have a disability, and countless other examples. a power imbalance by itself is not a reason to assume that all age gap relationships are evil? its also just weird how a lot of adult antis who talk about adult age gaps being bad are also the people who post about how much they love milfs, truly calling the kettle black there 😬

Right? No relationship in reality is ever going to be perfectly balanced between two people.

An imbalance of power in a relationship is not inherently abusive.

People who abuse their power over someone else are abusive.

That message got lost somewhere along the way.

Age gaps being demonized among consenting adults is honestly so weird to me because this assumes a lot about two people that shouldn’t be assumed. For example, if a person spends a lot of their life working through depression and doesn’t get out much and they’re 40, but they meet someone who is 25 and they do have a lot of experience, the total life experience for each person can be really similar to the other person? Age is a stupid number to gauge anything once people are adults even in irl.

It’s almost like when antis tell someone to “BE NORMAL!!” they are giving themselves away.

Antis expect everyone to be “"normal”“:

  • American
  • Neureotypical (or neurodivergent only in a cute, not messay way)
  • Able bodied
  • Middle class financial resources
  • Protestant or catholic
  • Heterosexual (if you’re queer don’t dare be visible! No kink at pride!!)

There is now ANOTHER reddit instance of a terminally online anti having fumbled the bag irl by calling all their family pedophiles and threatened to crash her sister’s wedding because of this delusion, and antis ofc are calling this fake… failing to remember that there are also instances of antis going to people’s jobs to tell their bosses they’re sexual predators lmao

marshemillow:

You’ve gotta be kidding me. Again? I’ll have to look into it. Wouldn’t surprise me, in any case.

Confirmation bias 101: If you NEVER believe stories that go against your narrative, but aren’t skeptical AT ALL of stories that confirm it, that’s a warning sign that you could be in a cult. You can’t tell based on that alone, I’m just throwing that out there.

Im gonna need a link for this. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

queerstampy:

blackheart-biohazards:

best thing a writer can do is make it clear that it’s not ok many ppl lack intelligence to part right from wrong so try and help them every author: tag your shit

Somebody reblogged our post from the other day and tagged it with this.

And yes, tag your shit, that part is very correct and very important.

But it is not your job as a fiction writer to educate anybody.

Unless you are specifically writing material to be educational you do not have any kind of responsibility to educate your audience on what is and isn’t moral behavior.

It is not your job to educate your audience on morality.

You do not have an obligation to tell your audience that bad things are bad.

Fiction is not moral education.

see i do get the tag’s point, but not all works are meant to be educational.

of course a warning is good, like “hey murder is bad!” or something, or making it clear sometimes in an authors note or smth that a character isn’t good or something isn’t supposed to be looked up to in the writing, but like…

there are times when you, a reader, do need to pick and choose your own morals and read content and think about it critically. if you struggle with right from wrong, that’s up to YOU to realize and go “oh shit i should figure out my morals and where i stand on things” and then do that.

random people do not need to educate you on what YOUR morals should be.