meairsa:

blackheart-biohazards:

meairsa:

i do wish there was a way to discuss taboo writings/art in predominantly fandom spaces without both sides of the argument getting defensive and screaming at each other

like i think there could be a really interesting discussion on why it’s created, the impacts it has, and the history of that type of media because it is nuanced and there isn’t one simple answer to everything

but for some reason you can’t do that bc the entire issue is so black and white to everyone and you either have to be 100% one way or the other

I mean, we try to have normal rational discussions about it all the time, but when we do people who call themselves antis make violent threats at us and accuse us of crimes.

yea i do definitively notice pros are more relaxed and don’t resort to name calling and threats as often, but i do think they still fall into the black and white thinking from my experience. like for example i’ve seen a lot of them say that fiction doesn’t affect reality and while that can be true i think it misses the point that fiction is a reflection of society and it can enforce beliefs of that society

I’m curious, genuinely, if you can recall any times you have actually seen any proshippers claiming that “fiction doesn’t affect reality”, because in my personal experience this is something that antis claim that proshippers say, rather than something that we actually say.

The actual proship stance is– broadly speaking– that creating or consuming fiction does not lead directly to action, and that the creators of fictional works cannot logically be held responsible for the actions of people who consume their work.

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[Twitter thread by Angry Black Changeling that reads: Low-key think any queer adult with DNI boundaries around ‘pro-shippers’ ought to do a detox consisting of education on queer history especially with respect to the fight against censorship + purity culture, and reckon with the way that – and fandom [especially terrible hot takes within spaces centred around fiction] – has furthered a surveillance culture where treating real world people like they are characters with a visible level of morality you can instantly assess + react to is the norm.

It’s not the norm. It’s purity culture at work.

You’re constantly surveilling yourself and others, and creating a level of psychological unsafety that will not keep you safe.

And let’s be serious for a sec, we know that abusers don’t come wearing “proshipper” badges.

Stats inform that they exist everywhere, and most commonly in heteronormative cultural blindspots such as family, schools, churches, institutions.

There could be overlap, but it’s a serious logical conflation to think it’s the 20 something with heart eyes over a fictional age gap you need to look out for.

That’s not to increase paranoia, but point out logical fallacies in that ‘shipping’ rhetoric.

Tbh on a personal level it’s so concerning because it’s so indicative of so many methods of coercive control: from cishetropatriarchy, to racism, to class based oppression – but it’s insidious in the way it’s creating pockets of surveillance within already marginalised + vulnerable communities who seem unable to realise that it functions on an insidious level that amounts to *thought control* + tokenistic morality.

It’s the opposite of safe.

It can be actually dangerous.

It’s doing the work of oppressors freely + willingly. /End thread]

Fandom has furthered a surveillance culture where treating real world people like they are characters with a visible level of morality you can instantly assess + react to is the norm.

It’s not the norm. It’s purity culture at work.

lameotello:

I find it very interesting that antis are usually preoccupied with the shipping part of fandom. You’ll see fics and artwork that details torture and gore with “proship dni” on it. I’m not saying that those works don’t deserve to exist, obviously they do, but I just find it interesting that antis tend to only have a problem when it comes to taboo relationships in fandom. If you’re able to separate reality from fiction when it comes to violence, why not when it comes to romantic or sexual relations?