antis will simultaneously believe that proshippers are all Real Life Child Molesters and yet say “ex-proshippers” should be given support for “realizing” it was “wrong”… that’s cognitive dissonance at work
Just because you like dubious consent/no consent it doesn’t mean you’re a bad person.
In fact, as a CSA survivor and as a person who was groomed by an adult when I was 15 to 17, I write that stuff quite a bit!
It’s cathartic, it makes me have control in a fantasy environment, for me to decide the outcome. It makes me feel a little less lonely, as I can relate to the character who had the events happen to them.
You’re not a bad person for writing dubious consent or straight up no consent. You’re providing people with an outlet to read and relate to their character, or you are the one immediately benefitting. There’s no in between.
You’re okay. You’re still a good person, I promise.
“Antis only care abt fictional characters than real victims”
If you post disgusting things online like pedophilia, incest or other bs then I think you’re the one who doesnt care about US.
No DNI and this is tagged as #proship so I assume you’re looking for interaction.
Comparing fictional content about fake characters to real child abuse or other crimes detracts from the severity of those actual crimes and harms victims, many of whom are the same people posting said fictional content.
Fiction isn’t brainwashing and doesn’t cause otherwise healthy and moral people to act like criminals or abusers.
Restricting the rights and agency of people to share content regarding dark topics restricts the ability for victims to talk about their abuse, and allows abusers to keep their victims controlled and isolated in their experiences.
Likewise suggestions that people involved with dark content should harm themselves (as you suggest in your tag) is abusive language that perpetuates violence toward victims, and spreads negativity. The proshipper you tell to hurt themselves probably isn’t going to, but the closeted proshipper who is a friend of your will see it and know you want to harm them.
As a SA and grooming victim.
Fiction DOES affect reality. SpongeBob literally thought me how to tie my shoes.
If a kid see a proshipper shipping an adult with a child and romanticising r@pe (typical proshitter thing LMAO) they will think its normal and will become an easy victim.
Proshippers are using our trauma to openly fantasies abt dark stuff. Or to “cope” then say that fiction doesn’t affect reality.
Also my friends agree with me. Most of them are SA victims too. So we understand our point.
My friend, I am also an SA victim. Fiction taught me that what I was experiencing was abuse, and not normal.
My parents, who tried to censor all the entertainment I experienced, did not want me to see that message.
Censorship hurts everyone because it is never ‘good’ people who are in charge of censoring things. It is always authoritarian abusers who want to control people.
Censorship is not about protection, it’s about control.
The Proshippers who post properly tagged fiction about dark topics that you can easily avoid by blocking are not your enemy.
If you follow us, and the most recent posts on your blog are threats of violence or murder to ANY group of people, yes you are going to get IMMEDIATELY blocked.
We don’t fuck with that shit. You are an unsafe person to interact with.
(yeah this just happened)
sorry to fixate on this, but seriously? If you most recent posts are full of photographs of military/paramilitary images and slogans about how you love to hunt and kill rapists and pedophiles and animal abusers, that does not make me feel safe around you.
Not because you hate child molesters, rapists or animal abusers (those people are bad!! I don’t like them either) but because you sound like you’re unhealthily fixated on murdering people!!
Waaay too many people on the internet super highway these days will say things like, “You’re literally making child porn!!!” when what they really mean is that you drew fanart of a young-looking anime character.
Alright, I’ll answer in good faith here, because i really appreciate not picking a fight or an argument
First off, please, don’t say , “you like proships” proship doesn’t mean “problematic ships”, it means “pro” (as in favor of) shipping, that is to say, it’s an anti harassment stance on letting people do whatever they want, based off the old fandom saying “ship and let ship”
you dont need to like problematic ships to be proship, you just need to be against harassment of people who enjoy darker or more ‘edgy’ media, and that’s it
As for you question in itself, it’s complicated, some problematic ships i enjoy stem from my own trauma and family issues, particularly my abusive mother. Reading and making content with parental !ncest gives me comfort through the fact that its an inconditional , codependent love. In fiction it feels comforting, but i know reality is way different first hand.
For age gap ships, theres a whole aspect about having someone take care of you, and also again, love regardless of situation, plus there is self insertion as it makes me think of back when i was a teen and had crushes on older people. I couldn’t act on them, and I knew that any adult willing to date a child is no good. But within fiction,you can write about it and it would be harmless, generally speaking
For dead dove or more problematic stuff,such as abusive relationships, theres again the desire for love no matter what, and the situations those develop in, are usually trauma bonding for the involved characters
Now, these are not the ONLY reasons i enjoy such ships. There’s also the aspect that i just like some of them aesthetically, or i see their chemistry in a romantic light, Or i have a streak of sadism towards a certain character.
Another reason is the potential for interesting fan content, particularly fanfiction, wholesome ships are sweet and cute and can be hot even, but it’s all very by the book. The exploration of their emotions, thoughts and actions in messed up situations is more interesting to me
For sibling !ncest particularly, i just feel that they’re usually developed in such a way that it can easily be seen as romantic, since we spend so much time with them, and seeing them fight and bond and laugh and promise to be together, that it just clicks different
and, It’s understandable that you feel nauseated and grossed out by a lot of these, in fact, there are problematic ships and tropes i hate and despise, despite the fact that i love other messed up content for example
– I hate bully/victim ships
– I hate uncle/niece ships
– I hate cheating stories
– I hate forced feminization
– I dislike enemies to lovers
– I dislike anything involving characters I consider too young
– I dislike vomit and sick fic
a lot of people love these! but i dont! some of them make my skin crawl! but i dont go and yell at them, i dont comment on their things, I just block them and move on, and focus on the stuff i DO like ,which is what i generally suggest
Fictional exploration of darker stories is okay, and generally harmless. I know the argument that it can be used to gr00m people, but truly, that’s not the fault of the content or its creator, the blame is fully on the gr00mer.
Also, if we started banning or bashing things that can be used to gr00m others, we’d have to ban stuff like plushies, candy, adult collectionists of cartoon merch, comics, books,etc etc
ANYTHING can be used to gr00m a person, if there’s a gr00mer targeting them. nothing is safe if there’s an actual pro contact ped0phile with the intention to gr00m a child. The only way to prevent these things is to be taught about them, and to learn to not take life advice from fanfiction, which should be a given.
Like seriously, think about it. let’s see, a safe hobby, non fandom related….
okay, imagine theres a minor who’s very interested in learning about history and historical maps of the world.
This kid joins an unsupervised group online, and talks about wanting to make friends, and does make some nice, age appropriate friends
They feel generally safe online
Then,a gr00mer targets them, befriends them and brings up the fact that they collect maps, and they love history just like the kid.
then moves into talking about ‘old customs’ and starts planting the idea that old societies were in the right about child marriage and so on, until they actually gets what they want, and commits a crime.
The gr00mer didn’t need a fanfic to convince the kid
they just needed to manipulate the child into trusting them, using whatever the kid liked.
who do you think it’s at fault here?
the kid? the history book? the group? the internet? Nope.
It’s the gr00mer’s fault for targeting the child
and it’s the parent’s fault for not teaching online safety to their kid.
Proshippers when the cops break into their fucking house: “ But officer! the DNI goes both ways! 🙁 ”
What part of being a proshipper do you believe is illegal?
This post makes it sound like you support institutionalized police brutality– do you support police brutality?
Maybe they’re somehow under the impression that being a proshipper is a war crime that warrants someone vaporize them with a laser beam on the spot.
I hate to be the one to break this to you dude, but it’s actually illegal for any kind of authority to break into your house without a warrant, and in order to get one, they have to have real reason to believe you are breaking the law or have broken the law badly enough to get arrested.
Surely you agree with at least this much, since you’re so eager for cops to bash people’s skulls in for the horrendous crime of disagreeing with you…?
So you agree that some things are so illegal that even a false tip with no evidence leaves a person’s door wide open to police? That’s what you’re going to go with here? Please, correct me if I’m misinterpreting, because I thought “innocent until proven guilty” was a cornerstone of multiple fucking democracies?
And also…no it’s not. No it’s fucking not. Any kind of “pornography” that features purely fictional characters is perfectly legal. In fact, the authorities on the subject have had to tiredly explain to people like you again and again that if no real children are being harmed, then nothing illegal is actually happening. Seriously. Why do you think CSAM (child sexual abuse material) is so illegal? Because it gets people off using something icky?
No! It’s illegal because it is ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF A REAL CHILD BEING ABUSED. Real living, breathing children are trafficked into a space where they’re exploited and abused, and it leaves them traumatized afterwards, especially if the victim is particularly young.
Fictional characters cannot be harmed. They are constructs. They are imagined ideas. They are NOT REAL.
And for the millionth time, don’t use the term “child pornography”. Children are not a porn category. Porn by definition is something you have to participate in willingly. Adults can do porn. Children cannot. Say underage fiction if you mean underage fiction, and say CSEM or CSAM if you mean CSAM.
Please don’t tell me you support police brutality if it aids in your mission over censorship. Please, ratofautism. You’re better than that.
