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I’m not really knowledgable about the whole thing but it feels like one of those slurs that can and should be reclaimed

Assuming you mean fujoshi:

Yeah.

The term has been used in Japan for 20 years now by fans as a positive fandom term to the extent that anime, manga, etc is actively titled in tribute to, and marketed toward, both fujoshi and fudanshi.

Arguing that fujoshi and fudanshi can’t be reclaimed would be pretty ridiculous in the face of actual Japanese self described fujoshi and fudanshi walking around holding stacks of manga marketed toward them with titles like “My Fujoshi Life”, etc.

That said, like all slurs, it’s in the usage. If somebody calls me a “nasty fujoshi” they are calling me a slur just as sure as if they called me a “degenerate queer” and I will act accordingly.

Further Fudanshi terminology research:

according to Japanese wikipedia (machine translated)

Fudanshi , all- name fudanshi (Japanese: fudanshi / Fudanshi Fudanshi ) , yasaku fudanshi ( fudanshi / fukei Fukē ), fujoshi ’s lyricism, Sokushi-kiri BL , Bara , Yaoi ’s works men [1] . “Rotten brother” is a model of “parents” [1] , appeared in 2002, first seen on PINK channel ( Japanese : PINK channel ) 801 board [2]

translated from:

腐男,全稱腐男子(日语:腐男子ふだんし Fudanshi),也作腐兄(腐兄ふけい Fukē),為基於腐女衍生而來的詞彙,即指喜歡BLBaraYaoi作品的男性[1]。「腐兄」一詞則是模仿「父兄」[1],2002年出現,最初見於PINK channel(日语:PINKちゃんねる)的801板[2]

So from this, we can glean that the term “fudanshi” first gained usage around 2002, on Japanese imageboards. Specifically PINK channel which was an adults only imageboard.

Early “fudanshi” terminology research result:

the term goes back at least until 2007.

Fudanshism: Fudanshi Shugi (manga) by mangaka Morishige
フダンシズム‐腐男子主義‐ (Japanese)
Published: Jul 20, 2007 to Oct 15, 2010

Miyano Amata, known as the “Perfect Prince” for his intelligence, looks, and cool personality, is asked to substitute for his sister as an attendant at a doujinshi convention disguised as a loligothic girl. There he meets a girl from his class and they become friends, but he must crossdress in order to be with the girl while learning about the fujoshi fandom.

I’m very familiar with the history behind “fujoshi” as a term, but do you have any idea how “fudanshi” became a thing? I haven’t ever been able to actually find anywhere that agrees 100% on how “fudanshi” happened.

I don’t have any clear sources on this either, unfortunately.

I do know for a fact that fundanshi is used (and likely originated) in japan as well.

My best guess would be that it was coined in Japanese ‘fujoshi’ fandom circles to refer to members of the group who were not girls or women.

I’ll try to do some research on this and see what I come up with!

universeuchu:

blackheart-biohazards:

I only just started seeing this sagau/self aware au stuff this week and suddenly I am seeing a ton of it.

Can someone explain the history/where it started from? I am very curious!

I may not remember much in detail, but I have seen the start of it so i can give a bit of info. SAGAU has actually been around for a long time now, most people just don’t tag it genshin x reader or genshin impact and just tag it sagau or self aware genshin so unless you look at those tags specifically you’ll come across it less.

The first person to post for it is a dark content 18+ blog that goes by streimiv. She was inspired by Dainsleif since when you enter the picture mode he is aware of the camera and will look right at it. The few fics she wrote for it were yandere and cultish in nature, but it grabbed a lot of people’s attention. Most of the blogs that wrote for sagau in the beginning have been deleted and I can’t really remember much names, but one of the popular ones was Wisteria(?). They posted pretty often and made a bunch of different scenarios and aus that mostly leaned heavily on the player being seen as a god/creator of Teyvat and the characters forming a cult. Most of it was still fluffy and generic for dark content.

At some point a different writer (can’t remember her name I think it had ‘pink’ in it though), came into their asks and suggested that the characters saw the player as a fraud instead of the real god. That picked up a lot of traction and then the imposter au was born which eventually got multiple different variations. The villain au being the first variation of imposter au where the player sides with the Abyss to get revenge on the rest of Teyvat (at the beginning the Abyss and any related characters always new who the real creator was, but now it’s mostly not the case). The Gold Blood AU where the player has gold blood upon arrival in Teyvat (usually involves severe injury or death to the player. Mostly angst). There was a disney princess au where the player had all the monsters and bosses on their side to protect them. The Fatui AU where the player sides with the fatui instead of the Abyss (This one either had a revenge plot or it’s the player simply hid away in Snezhnaya while the rest of Teyvat despaired). I know there was one where the reader was just a eldritch horror and not an actual player. A good writter for regular imposter au being Myuni-Moon(?) and another good writter for sagau in general being Azempyrea. There were others that I used to follow, but unfortunately I no longer remember their blog names since they’ve all been deleted.

Eventually issues arose surrounding Wisteria’s age and they were either banned or they deleted the blog. Unfortunately I can’t remember which one. They made a new blog later, but I blocked them so idk if it’s still up or not. Myuni also deleted their blog and I think that was because their parents didn’t approve of it. I saw a post saying they came back with a drive to their old works, but they said they didn’t know if they’d write for it again or not. Azem has deleted and remade their blog multiple times so I’m unsure if they currently have one or not.

At some point the original ‘Self Aware’ part of SAGAU became lost and most of what was being written was the impostor au with the reader actually being a god and isekai’d into Teyvat which led to some people writting more for just the self aware part where the reader is simply just the player and their characters gain awareness. Not much yandere or any cult behaviour from those writters, just the characters interacting with the player whether they new about it or not. @/Kalopsial-Star is a great example of a regular sagau writter. Most of the people writting for sagau is still for the cult and creator angle and I’ve stopped following the tag consistently for that reason so I can’t really follow up on more on this.

I hoped I layed it out in a clear way and that there’s not to many typos. I also hope this helped with your curiosity.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this up for me! It’s really interesting (and clear!) and definitely satisfies my curiosity while giving me a jumping off point to try to do more research if I feel like it.

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