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Im sorry, you’re saying its a parents job to fix their child’s issues completely, with absolutely no responsibility on the kid to learn right from wrong or to learn or improve themself ??? It rlly saddens me to see you take this absolutely out of pocket take man. I don’t think I can stick around if you’re going to sit here and victim blame like that. If someone is getting beaten, it’s abuse full stop. We shouldn’t make exceptions just because you think parents should be able to change their children absolutely. They’re their own individuals with like ?? their own brains, and empathy, and cognitive thinking. Just because a parent tells a child “please don’t do that, it’s wrong and it hurts people.” doesn’t mean they will listen ??? There are also cases like the Richardson family murders, where a 12 year old girl murdered her parents after meeting a 23 year old man online. Whereas the whole family said she’d never fought with her parents or argued or struggled with them before. And you’re about to tell me that it’s physically impossible for her to abuse her parents because she’s 12 ? As if her parents had something to do with how she was manipulated by the 23 year old guy she was with, despite the fact they told her “you can’t date him, he’s 23 and also it’s dangerous.” Like. I know that’s an extreme example, but it’s still a relevant argument to make. Minors get easily manipulated by other people and their parents aren’t always at fault. Sometimes they try everything to steer them the right way. and even if they WERE shitty parents. Being abusive or neglectful doesn’t mean they deserve to be abused or beaten. That’s just. Such a wild thing to think FHGHF. like how can you be proship and hate proshippers abusing antis back but you think parents getting the shit beat out of them from their parents is justifiable if the parents were bad to them I just don’t get it.

If a child is mentally ill and violent whose responsibility is to to help them??

You tell me that!

You tell me whose responsibility it is to help a mentally ill child besides their parents!

If you seriously are going to tell me that mentally ill children are abusers you get the fuck off our blog.

we live with our abusive mum. But if I started beating the shit out of her, that’s still abuse

No! No it isn’t! If your mom is physically abusive toward you then hitting her back is self defense!

Minor children don’t just randomly start beating the shit out of their parents without reason.

If they do its because they are mentally ill and their parent literally is the only one they can depend on to get them help for that.

You cannot become a parent if you are not willing to accept that your child might be mentally disabled of literally, legitimately violently psychotic!

Children who are psychotic need help, they are not abusive! Calling mentally ill children abusive is extremely ableist!

Hitting your abusive parent back is not abuse it is self defense.

If a violent child is not getting help for their aggression, whose fault do you think that is????

In 1971 the United States Government lowered the minimum voting age from 21 to 18, in response to widespread social unrest.

You see, 18 year olds were being drafted and sent against their will to fight in the Vietnam war.

And a lot of these teenagers were wondering ‘hey, how come you can force me to go fight in a war that I was too young to vote for? If I’m still kid why are you allowed to send me to die in a war?“

So at least in the US, the reason we’re considered adults at 18 is so that we can die as soldiers.

As for if it would affect proship discourse if the age of majority was 21, I can’t begin to guess because the last 50 years would have been very different.

I feel like you might be projecting your experience as universal, a bit? Your situation with your family is valid ofc (in that the pain it caused you guys, and the damage it did to your brother as a result is real. Not that what happened was okay) , but that doesn’t mean no child has ever abused their parents?? Parents aren’t the only factor in a child’s psychology, and there are plenty of children who learn from other places how to mistreat their parents and then do it. Friends, romantic partners, other family members, etc. Plus, the majority of senior abuse is a child mistreating their older parent. And that is definitely not the old person’s fault! Abusive parents are shit, we live with our abusive mum. But if I started beating the shit out of her, that’s still abuse?? Just because you hurt someone else doesn’t mean if you suffer assault or abuse that it’s deserved or somehow no longer abusive.

Children who are legal minors cannot abuse their parents. Full stop.

A child who is a minor is legally and environmentally beholden to their parent without any recourse.

If a child who is a minor is violent toward their parent it is the result of mental illness, abuse, or neglect– and it is the parent’s literal job to rectify any of these problems.

A child who is a minor is completely vulnerable to their parents.

A child who is an independent adult can absolutely abuse their elderly parent, because the situation of vulnerability has been reversed.

This discussion has been about children who are minors, and who are legally and environmentally under the complete control of their parents.

This conversation has never been about the denial of elder abuse.

If a child who is a minor is violent toward their parent it is because the parent is doing something wrong, and it is the parent’s responsibility to fix it because that is literally their job and the child has no ability or agency to fix it themselves.

*adult* children can very much be abusive to one’s parents, btw. Especially if the parents are elderly, when they enter an age group systematically targeted for medical and financial abuse.

Yes, absolutely.

Elder abuse by adult children is a very real and terrible thing that puts parents in the a similar vulnerable position that children are in as minors.

I haven’t addressed that because the discussion was specifically about minors, and whether children who were minors could abuse their parents.

Things antis have done to me, a black proshipper: Call me the n word and several other slurs Accuse me of being “a white girl who fetishizes anime”. Along with accusing me of racefaking they also misgendered me as I’m agender and made that very clear in my bio. Insult my hair texture Threaten to call the police on me which can get me KILLED So yeah these ppl are racist as fuck

I am so sorry that you were subjected to that. That’s awful.

Children can abuse adults or be abusive toward adults.

Children cannot abuse their parents.

A parent has complete legal and environmental control over their child.

A child’s violence toward their parent is a result of mental illness, abuse, or neglect, all of which are the responsibility of that parent.

You cannot abuse someone who has total control over you.

Children are under the absolute power of their parents in our current social structure.

There is simply no ethical way to frame any violent actions of a person against someone who has total control over them and their environment as ‘abuse’ no matter the circumstances.

If a child is acting violently toward their parent it is the result of untreated mental illness, neglect, or abuse, all of which are the responsibility of that parent.

Saying that “children cannot abuse their parents” is in no way the same as saying “women cannot abuse men.”

Parents have total legal and environmental control over their children. The actions of a child are the parent’s responsibility.

@ the child beating their parents post: that screencap was actually taken WILDLY out of context and is from a post where that person is talking about how minors online laugh at the idea that they can be abusive to adults; the OP in the screencap was not advocating for any kind of abuse, they were talking about how kids (teens especially) CAN be abusive to parents/adults and how it’s not any less abusive because of their age.

Thanks friend, but I saw the context.

While I agree with much of the post– obviously minors can be abusive to adults– the addition about children abusing their parents is simply not something that I can agree with nor is the language about “beating brats”.

Sinister system grew up in an extremely abusive home. Both emotionally and physically abusive.

Part of that abuse was the abuse against our brother, who was the “golden child”.

Our brother was never properly taught to behave as a child; our parents literally gave him whatever he wanted.

When our parents punished us for something it was in the form of a physical beating, or screaming at us.

Due to this combination of factors, our brother grew up believing that screaming at people and physically abusing them is how you get your way with people.

So when he got older, and bigger, and our parents tried to say “no” to something, he would scream and swear, and break things and psychically hurt our father.

Our brother was not the abusive one in this situation.

Our parents, who taught our brother that abuse was the way to get what you want, were the abusive ones toward him.